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whitefang
Enterprise-Level Plonker Who's Not Wrong

272 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 08:54:08
Why don't more and more IT companies have this?

There is no reason for me to be in the office 90% of the time except for meetings which are often scheduled ahead. And with virtual conferencing and tech, even that can be done while teleworking.

TG
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker

6065 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 09:55:42
I'm with you on this one whitefang :)
I could list my companies objections to it but I'm sure it's nothing we all haven't heard before...

As long as it's not abused we can occasionally say, "I'm working from home today because <pretty much any reason>."

Be One with the Optimizer
TG
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whitefang
Enterprise-Level Plonker Who's Not Wrong

272 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 10:02:34
The main issue is security which is a poor excuse for not implementing it.
I can telework 4-5 days a month but still :(

Maybe in the future? I know some IBM employees have a 3 day telework, 2 day office schedule.
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robvolk
Most Valuable Yak

15732 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 11:02:56
Poor security is horseshit, it's not even an excuse. The real reason is they're convinced you're goofing off if you're not in the office.

I admit, I do that a lot when I work from home. Damn TV and internet!
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whitefang
Enterprise-Level Plonker Who's Not Wrong

272 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 11:14:04
quote:
Originally posted by robvolk

Poor security is horseshit, it's not even an excuse. The real reason is they're convinced you're goofing off if you're not in the office.

I admit, I do that a lot when I work from home. Damn TV and internet!


The thing is, employees are more productive working from home. Several surveys have proven this.
Driving to work takes an hour and imagine traffic dense cities like DC, so that's about 2 hours a day you spend commuting. On top of that, don't forget parking fees, fuel costs, vehicle repair costs.

If an employee is slacking off, surely it would at the end of the month when stuff is due? So that's a poor reason too.
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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

30421 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 11:17:29
Please provide links to those surveys.


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whitefang
Enterprise-Level Plonker Who's Not Wrong

272 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 11:20:54
http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2008/03/10/daily19.html

http://www.telcoa.org/id33.htm

http://www.telework.gov/Reports_and_Studies/tw_rpt02/status-conclusion.aspx
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RickD
Slow But Sure Yak Herding Master

3608 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 12:40:40
It depends on your circumstances, I work from home when the firm I am working for allows it, but I can understand why some people wouldn't want to/couldn't as it takes a motivated and organised person to make home working a success.

Also helps if you don't have young children.
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whitefang
Enterprise-Level Plonker Who's Not Wrong

272 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 13:25:53
I guess avoiding traffic, hassle of driving, working from your comfy sofa is not motivation enough. At my workplace, people go to the kitchen and waste lots of time talking and drinking coffee. It's amazing how the average coworker cannot focus and finish task without taking constant breaks and socializing.
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nathans
Aged Yak Warrior

938 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 13:29:12
It definitely depends on the person... not everyone is more productive from home.

This is a great read from the manager's perspective: http://www.randsinrepose.com/archives/2009/04/15/the_pond.html




Nathan Skerl
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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

30421 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 13:30:06
Well, socializing and brushing up on people-skills needs constant practizing.
During 1993-1998 when I ran my own business, I worked from home. Stopped doing that when I realized I didn't want people near me, so I rented a cubicle in a office space.


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whitefang
Enterprise-Level Plonker Who's Not Wrong

272 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 13:35:07
quote:
Originally posted by Peso

Well, socializing and brushing up on people-skills needs constant practizing.
During 1993-1998 when I ran my own business, I worked from home. Stopped doing that when I realized I didn't want people near me, so I rented a cubicle in a office space.


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I tend to keep work and life separate, I'm at work to work (8-hours goes pretty quickly when you're doing actual work). Other people seem to make "friends" (who would want a coworker as a friend?????) and talk about football and crap.
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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

30421 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 13:40:44
You know, life is more than work.
I feel sorry for you if you identify yourself with your professional self.

Work will come and go, but friends and family will always be there.


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whitefang
Enterprise-Level Plonker Who's Not Wrong

272 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 13:42:13
quote:
Originally posted by nathans

It definitely depends on the person... not everyone is more productive from home.

This is a great read from the manager's perspective: http://www.randsinrepose.com/archives/2009/04/15/the_pond.html




Nathan Skerl


Common manager stupidity.

That moron's post seems to be centered around "communication". At my previous company, we all kept in touch using IM services. We worked on mission critical apps WITH other branches, all using IM and conferencing technology. There were several days I worked from home just fine (more productive). It's standard business training that in communication, you should use effective communication by staying simple and direct to the point (we highly recomended new employees to read http://www.plainlanguage.gov/).
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DonAtWork
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker

2167 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 13:46:10
http://www.telework.gov/Reports_and_Studies/tw_rpt02/status-conclusion.aspx
An actual report. The executive summary page of this report says, 2 major problems. 1) tracking the employee. Are they working or slacking? 2) Security. hmmm.
Not sure why you would say Security risk is a poor excuse. This report doesn't seem to think so.

http://www.telcoa.org/id33.htm
This one is a site that promotes teleworking. not exactly an unbiased opinion. They list "facts" of telework, but not the drawbacks,nor do they cite any study.

http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2008/03/10/daily19.html
This one is a blurb about an actual study. It says productivity does increase in a majority of cases. This seems to agree with the other 2 sources you listed.


I agree, I would LOVE to telecommute. However, it is not the panacea to all work problems. (Stored procs and triggers fill that role)




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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

30421 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 13:49:59
quote:
Originally posted by whitefang

Common manager stupidity.
You don't like managers, do you?
quote:
Originally posted by whitefang

That moron's post seems to be centered around "communication".
Can you please stop insulting other people?
No wonder you got banned from the other forum after just some 300 posts...
quote:
Originally posted by whitefang

We highly recomended new employees to read http://www.plainlanguage.gov/
This problem can be caused by a variety of issues, including: 

* Internet connectivity has been lost. 
* The website is temporarily unavailable. 
* The Domain Name Server (DNS) is not reachable. 
* The Domain Name Server (DNS) does not have a listing for the website's domain. 
* There might be a typing error in the address. 
* If this is an HTTPS (secure) address, click Tools, click Internet Options, click Advanced, and check to be sure the SSL and TLS protocols are enabled under the security section.


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whitefang
Enterprise-Level Plonker Who's Not Wrong

272 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 13:52:08
I already answered those fallacies those moron managers have.

Tracking Employees - Look at the monthly status reports. It will provide all the data needed on the performance of an employee and whether they have been slacking off. Anymore need for tracking, you might as well put GPS units on your employees.
Security - Yeah, an employee can copy data, same as they can at the office. This is a poor excuse for having proper security measures in place.

The technology infrastructure is already here to support teleworking, employers just don't want to embrace it because of stupid fallacies.
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whitefang
Enterprise-Level Plonker Who's Not Wrong

272 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 13:55:15
quote:
Originally posted by Peso
quote:
Originally posted by whitefang

That moron's post seems to be centered around "communication".
Can you please stop insulting other people?
No wonder you got banned from the other forum after just some 300 posts...


That guy is posting pure crap. His post is all about "communication" but he does not state the modern infrastructure - IM and conferencing.
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DonAtWork
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker

2167 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 14:00:24
So, you can shrug off the huge report done yearly by the government as morons that cant read a simple status report.

You think security is simply stopping someone from copying data.

This is so bad, that you are not even wrong.

You claim employers are guilty of faulty thought process, when you yourself cannot seem to think coherently.



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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

30421 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 14:02:21
Have you ever actually been a project leader?
I agree with him. The article is well written and do have some highlights, from a project leader perspective.
It doesn't matter what infrastructure you have.

I don't get your obsession with "modern infrastructure", "latest technology" and other buzzwords.
This obsession does make you look like a "fanboy".

Whatever makes the job done and meet customer acceptance is fine. Isn't it?

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whitefang
Enterprise-Level Plonker Who's Not Wrong

272 Posts
Posted - 2009-04-23 : 14:04:55
quote:
Originally posted by DonAtWork

So, you can shrug off the huge report done yearly by the government as morons that cant read a simple status report.

You think security is simply stopping someone from copying data.

This is so bad, that you are not even wrong.

You claim employers are guilty of faulty thought process, when you yourself cannot seem to think coherently.



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For ultra basic questions, follow these links.
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http://www.firstsql.com/tutor.htm
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Appeal to authority anyone? You. The report goes through several levels of communication and it might be interpreted incorrectly at one level making the whole report incorrect.

Security at the the root level all comes to copying data.
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